Gave my son a couple pairs of pants with a set of knee pads. These are a complete game changer for him. The decreased knee pain and fatigue were instant. He prefers these over his military issued flight deck pants. These will be a great asset during his upcoming deployment. He normally wears a 36x34 but the pads hit just a little low on his first order so I ordered 36x32. Pads sit perfect with the shorter inseam.